Saskatchewan’s Trans ‘Agenda’ with Todd Rennebohm

Welcome back to Let's Be Perfectly Queer Podcast, your go to LGBT Australian podcast for all things queer.

In this episode, we sit down with advocate, author and podcaster Todd Rennebohm to unpack one of Canada’s most heated political battlegrounds: Saskatchewan’s so-called “trans agenda.”

Todd, a white cisgender straight man walks us through the province’s recent policies targeting transgender students, the backlash against queer-inclusive education, and how far-right rhetoric is shaping school environments across Canada. We dig into what’s actually happening on the ground, the dangerous myths driving these laws, and why families, teachers, and allies are pushing back.

From lawsuits and “parental rights” arguments to the weaponisation of misinformation, Todd discusses who is really behind this movement and his podcast series Transgression - My Search For the REAL Trans Agenda in Saskatchewan. 

🌈 We also explore:

• Saskatchewan’s pronoun policies and their real impact on students
• How anti-trans narratives mirror global political strategies
• Why “protecting children” is being used to harm queer youth
• What allies can do to support trans students in hostile school systems
• The power of local activism & queer community resilience

This conversation isn’t just about Saskatchewan, it’s about a global tactic to erase trans lives. And Todd is here to help us understand it, challenge it, and build something better.

🎧 Listen in and learn how misinformation becomes policy and how we can stop it... and until next time, stay perfectly queer!

Archie & Katie 🌈

Todd Rennebohm's Links:

• Transgression My Search For the REAL Trans Agenda in Saskatchewan
• Bunny Hugs and Mental Health Podcast
• Sometimes Daddy Cries Book
• Transgression Series Instagram
• Bunny hugs podcast instagram

Transcript

Archie: Welcome to Let's Be Perfectly Queer, a queer podcast, creating space to talk about all things queer. My name is Archie and I'm joined today by Todd Renbaum, an author, advocate, and mental health podcaster from Canada. Welcome to the show, Todd. 

Todd: Thank you. It's, it's unusual. I've been doing a few of these podcasts now and I am straight and cisgender and that's what people, yeah, it's like, it's not weird for me, but I think it's.

Todd: Might be weird for your listeners. I dunno. I dunno. Do you, do you often talk to straight people? 

Archie: I think you're our first, uh, or that I, I'm aware of, we might've talked to someone who was straight before, but, uh, as far as I'm aware of, you are our first straight guest on the show. Well, I'm honored. Yeah.

Archie: Thank you. Before we get into the episode though, did you mm-hmm. Wanna tell the listeners a bit about yourself and why you reached out to us? 

Todd: Yeah, sure. Uh, so yeah, I've been doing this, uh, mental health podcast. It's called Bunny Hugs and Mental Health for. Oh, four and a half years now. Uh, so I've got like 260 episodes or something and, uh, I was, a couple years ago I was diagnosed with A DHD, so that explained a lot.

Todd: But, but also it's like once I get good at something or I've done it enough, it's like I wanna. Drop it and do something else. So knowing that, I'm like, okay, I'm not dropping this podcast, but I need another challenge. So I've always been wanting to do like a, a documentative kind of series or an investigative kinda series thing.

Todd: So about a year ago, I started thinking about doing it and thinking about, uh, different subject matters. Uh, 'cause, you know, doing a mental health podcast, I've met so many fascinating people. I could have done, I mean, I could, I had lots of options. Anyway. Here in, uh, my province of Saskatchewan in Canada. I don't know if your listeners are familiar with Su, Saskatchewan or Canada at all, but Saskatchewan is about the size of Texas, but it has only just over a million people in it in Canada here.

Todd: So, uh, in our province, um, the last couple years, for whatever reason, we have a fairly conservative government here and they've been coming up with some new laws and stuff against trans people. Have some loved ones that are trans. And then it was just, yeah, about a year ago when I was thinking about doing a series, the provincial government had an election and um, our premier, which is like a governor of a state or I'm not sure what equivalent is in Australia, but he basically outed two 12-year-old trans people during the election campaign.

Todd: And I'm friends with those kids', dad. And I was like, okay, there's, okay, this is no longer, uh, an option. Like I, I felt compelled to do this series now. So, so yeah. So for, I guess I started in about April, so it was about six months of interviews and. Research and all the stuff and editing. I mean, my regular episodes, I, I thought those were hard to edit.

Todd: Like after editing a, a documentary series, eight parts, I, I'll never complain again about just a straight up interview, podcast editing. But, so yeah, so the first three episodes came out October 1st and then the next five over the next five weeks. So yeah, I'm, I'm super excited. It's getting really great feedback.

Todd: And I'm, I'm super, super proud of it. 

Archie: Yeah, no, that sounds awesome and well done for wanting to be that ally, that advocate for those queer and trans people in your lives. 'cause sometimes, you know, and especially in the world that we are in right now. We need people like yourself standing up and saying, that's not okay.

Archie: That's not right. And in Australia we call them premiers as well. So we do have premieres here as well. Oh, okay. Oh, neat. So when you were saying that, I was like, I totally understand. Maybe the US listeners or people from other countries might not. We're actually pretty lucky. In WA we have what, we have a great premier who has committed $1 million to lgbtq plus reform in our, our state.

Archie: Nice. So we're really lucky. But other states aren't as lucky in other places around the world. Having people like you, putting that kind of focus and that spotlight on these kind of issues is really important. So well done for doing that and well, thank you. And for people outside of Canada and Saskatchewan, can you explain what Bill 1, 3, 7 is and why it's such a big deal?

Todd: Yes. So Bill 1 37 It is, well a couple things. One, it's they, the provincial government will not allow third parties to come in and teach sex ed. So that's, uh, planned Parenthood and any, uh, L-G-B-T-Q kind of community people to come in and talk, and also, no. The children under 16 cannot use their preferred pronouns or preferred names without parents' consent.

Todd: So it's basically, uh, as one of my guests said in on the show, it's basically outing children Bill, but they call it the parental right bill, or no, I can't remember the par parental. Ah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, exactly. They, they make it sound like, it's like parents don't have rights, uh, which is completely bullshit.

Todd: Yeah. They're not giving parents more rights. They're just taking rights away from children is what it is. So, yeah, that was, and, and well, it, so episode two of the, of the series is all about Bill 1 37, but not so much about the bill itself as it is, how it came about and all the controversy and all the shitty, shitty politics and, you know, politics.

Todd: It's just, yeah, politics. It's gross. 

Archie: And we'll make sure, we'll link that into the show notes so people can go over and listen to that episode and so they understand a little bit more. And with these kind of bills, they are quite harmful. And coming from your mental health. Background. Do you expect a massive surge in Saskatchewan for LGBT kids to have that mental health hit, or what's your feeling around it?

Todd: You know, I probably somewhat, but also I think it's almost doing the opposite of what they were wanting. I think it's actually bringing people together more like, you know what I mean? It, it's like in the nineties laws against gay people and, and not having HIV medication and like. It actually, it's people are rallying together now, and a lot of the teachers I've spoke with, they're like, we don't even go to our administration to out the kids.

Todd: Like we just, we just completely ignore the bill. They're like, no, this is ridiculous. This is all politics. This is all bullshit. And a lot of teachers I've talked to have trans children themselves, not just in their classrooms, but you know, in their own families. That said, there are some, obviously some teachers that are a little more quote unquote traditional.

Todd: I guess, even though being trans, it's also traditional. It's been happening since the dawn of times, so yeah. I, I, I guess, I don't know. I would, I would love to see the, the stats. I don't know if there's anyone even collecting stats on suicidality on trans kids pre 1 37 and post bill 1 37, but I wouldn't be surprised if it went up for sure, but also made the communities very.

Todd: Cut and dry. Clear more connection. I dunno what I'm saying. I know what I'm saying. I just can't say it. Yeah. And, and, and something like earlier when you said, thank you for using your privilege and, and that, to be honest with you, when I started my first few interviews, I was actually terrified. I was like, what am I doing?

Todd: You know, I'm, I'm setting myself up here to get canceled. There's gonna be trans people gonna be super pissed off that a, a straight, cis, middle-aged white guy is even talking about this stuff. And honestly, it was hard to get some people to talk to me at first. It's weird 'cause I felt like them. I was like, I was a little paranoid, like, should I be doing this?

Todd: But it was actually, they had more to lose than I did, you know what I mean? Because a couple of people I talked to that said, you know, we've done interviews before and it was all good and fine. And then the article comes out and they mix our words up and whatever, and then, you know, it's a, what's that called?

Todd: Bait and switch kind of thing. So anyway, I, I, I was worried, you know, like, oh my God, I'm, this is too controversial. I shouldn't be doing this. Every single person I talked to said exactly what you said. So the fir I, you know, I did one interview and they were like, oh, thank you so much for using your privilege, and we get educational, uh, uh, exhaustion.

Todd: And I was like, okay, well cool. That was nice of them. Next one, same thing. Next one, same thing. I was like, wait a minute. Like, I quickly realized I, I'm up my own ass and I've been, somehow they planted it. Somebody somewhere, some, somewhere along the line planted a seed in my brain that I shouldn't be talking about this stuff.

Todd: Yeah. When it's, again, exact opposite 

Archie: i's been extremely lovely. So everybody has imposter syndrome and you know, that's what you, you felt like an imposter in a space that you were like, oh, maybe I shouldn't be talking about this, or No, I, I was more worried that 

Todd: like the trans community would come after me for, for even attempting to talk about this stuff.

Todd: Because I mean, you, I have heard of situations like that early on, like pre COVID maybe, and I think a lot of the trans community. Went to those people and said, Hey, these people are at least trying, you know, like we need, we don't, like, there's a time and a place for that kind of advocacy where you're like, really do get in people's faces, but what, but if people are reaching out and attempting to be allies or asking questions, you know, maybe let's, let's chill out a bit.

Todd: Yeah. So yeah, I, yeah, I had that in my brain and, and I was completely wrong. I've, I've had nothing but. Love from the community 

Archie: and it just shows that you're doing the right thing. And sometimes, you know, people know if you're genuine or not. Some people are still a bit on the fence 'cause they've been burnt in the past.

Archie: But I try to come from this perspective of, hey, you're trying to be genuine and you're trying to make a difference and you know, and it's great that people can see that and that you're using your platform. To do that as well. And you know, being a teacher, I can understand from the teaching background how you're like, no, this bill is absolutely messed up.

Archie: I'm not gonna agree with it because I got into the profession for the kids. And you know, and it's great to see the same thing in Canada where there are people standing up and saying, no. I don't agree with it. This is a crappy bill and I'm, unfortunately, I don't care what the Department of Education, I dunno what you call it, over in Canada, but it's something similar.

Archie: Uh, the Ministry of Education. So the Ministry of Education says kids come first. 

Todd: Yeah, yeah. Well, it's funny, the, so the provincial government came up with this bill and then they said to all the school divisions, which I think there's nine in Saskatchewan, they said, it's up to you to police it. So then all this, a lot of the school divisions are like, okay, we're not gonna police it.

Todd: You know, and some did, you know, depending, you know, there's more conservative areas than others throughout the province. Yeah. So I, I don't, I think there's a lot of school divisions that are pretty, you know, low key, don't do anything about it. So, 

Speaker 3: yeah. 

Todd: But there's been teachers say that, that are sexual educators.

Todd: Basically anything that they do in their class, they have to get approval from the board first, which they never had to do before either. And again, they were like, I've never, they've always let me just do whatever. Like, it's just a unnecessary step because the province says we have to do this. So, and another thing I wanted to add to, like, one of the other reasons I wanted to do this too is I have a, a trans nephew and basically no one in my family says his preferred pronouns and, and name.

Todd: And so I, I, it is not that I don't have any skin in the game. I do have some. Skin of the game to, to do it sincerely and with good intentions, but not enough to like have too much emotion involved in it. 

Archie: Yeah. And you know, for your nephew, you standing up, this would be huge for them just to have that person in their life to be like, it's okay to be you.

Archie: And so you don't realize how much of a difference you are making to your nephew's life? 

Todd: I hope so. Uh, I haven't talked to them since this, since I started this project, but, and okay. Here's the other thing. When I started it, I was like, let's see what happens. And by the time I collected all the, all the data and I had made all the interviews, like I knew this was like bigger than I thought it was gonna be.

Todd: And. I, when it came to the editing, it was, it was heavy. Like I, I was like, I've got a huge responsibility here. I don't wanna fuck this up. Like, I'm kind of a, I got a lot of, I'm silly and stuff, and like, okay, well I still want to have me in the episodes, but, you know, I, I, I, I wanted to make sure. I was honored to do it, but also very Oh, how, yeah, there was a, a couple of sleepless nights where I was like, how do I, how do I do this?

Todd: Just so, and I feel like I did it well. I'm getting good feedback, so 

Archie: that's good. That's awesome. I was, you know, I, I, I scroll TikTok a lot and even in Australia, the impact of Trump to people's bravado to be able to be homophobic, sexist, misogynistic is insane. So there was a lesbian couple, uh, who were just gonna, the shops with their kids, they were getting slurs.

Archie: Just some random young men were just yelling slurs at them because, and when they saw that Trump got elected, they said they were scared because they were expecting this to happen. And it did happen. And it's just sad that someone with so much hate. And misogyny and who wants to divide. Everyone is in a, in such a position of power, you know, is having an impact on the rest of the world.

Archie: And that it gives people, and it's particularly young men, the almost the freedom to like, oh, well if someone in power, like the president is saying this stuff, we can to. And it's, it's like I could get out of jail free card and it's scary for sure. It's definitely scary. We are very lucky in Australia, we have such great sex discrimination act.

Archie: That means that, you know, our rights are, are protected. And we had recently Paula Gerber on our um, podcast, who is all about, you know, human rights and she explained to us in Australia we're actually quite lucky because of the Sex Discrimination Act. Laws like this, it is a bit hard to pass because of we have the right to be who we are.

Todd: Well, I I, I'll get into the, the legality of Oh yeah. Of Bill 1 37 a bit too, because 

Archie: Yeah, 

Todd: we do too. But there is this thing called the notwithstanding clause that any provincial or federal government can use here to pass whatever bill they want, even if it goes against our hu uh, the Charter of Human Rights here in Canada.

Todd: So they know they're breaking the charter of rights as long as in the bill when they're passing it with the, not with Santa Claus, they say which rights they are breaking, they're allowed to pass it. It's temporary. It's only five years. So in five years time it's for like emergencies or something I guess.

Todd: I dunno. So in five years time, they have to look at it again and decide. So by then there could be a different government or whatever, but there is a lawsuit right now. Because they're saying, well, you're also breaking this part of the charter. You didn't mention this part when you passed the bill. So there's still, I mean, you know how slow courts move and stuff.

Todd: I mean, we could have a new government still be in court, but, but at least there, you know, people are holding, putting their feet in the fire a bit for, you know, it's, it's, it's so despicable. I won't get into too much of the, I mean, it gets boring talking about legal stuff, but it isn't in episode two. It sounds boring, but it, but it isn't.

Todd: Like I got, you'll see, you'll see. 

Archie: And with the bill. So the bill is mainly at students, teachers, parents, anybody else involved in the bill? 

Todd: No. It's just, uh, kids 16 and under. And, and you were talking about mental health and I believe if I, if my memory serves correctly. That trans kids at seven times more likely to attempt suicide in Saskatchewan or in Canada anyway.

Todd: I'm not sure what it is in Australia. I think it's similar. And then we have an indigenous population in Saskatchewan, a big indigenous population, and just being indigenous, it's something like five times more likely. So now you throw in this new bill, and can you imagine like being an indigenous queer person in Saskatchewan having these laws?

Todd: So now you're like 12 times more likely to attempt suicide as a 15-year-old, which is insane. It's bananas. So one of the episodes I do, it's for, I talk all about two-spirited people because we do have such a big 'cause. I mean, they have their whole other. Struggles from white trans people. So, you know, and, and that one I learned, I mean I learned so much doing this.

Todd: I learned so much from doing this and, and my heart grew probably three times the size. I'm like the Grinch. I was about to say, that's a Grinch, that's a reference from Grinch. Well, one of the reasons when the editing became why was so I didn't wanna screw this up, was 'cause I made so many wonderful connections doing this series.

Todd: I mean, people that will probably be friends for life now that I didn't know who they were, and I was like, you know, if I saw 'em on the street, I'd be like, oh, there's a trans person. But now it's just like, oh my God. You know? Like I hear their stories, I hear, you know, just like, holy shit. This is, yeah, I, yeah, 

Archie: there needs to be more straight white CI men like you who are just like, just go talk to a trans 

Todd: person and you know, well, that's just it.

Todd: That's just it. I don't know how many people like have comments and opinions that have never talked to a trans person, or it's like all my friends' son is gay and trans or something. I don't know what the fuck they're. How about you talk to them and find out what the hell's going on? That's it. I mean, I work in theater, so I, I know a lot of queer people anyway and you know, my nephew and stuff, but, but when, when you sit down for an hour straight and it's just you and one other person and you do that like 20, 25 times, not everybody is trans that I talk to, but.

Todd: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you, you can't help but learn a lot. So I was already an empathetic person, but now I'm, well, I'm still as empathetic, but I'm just more empathetic to trans people than I was before. 

Archie: Yeah. And it shows, you know, that there is room for growth and you, you know, through this process have grown.

Archie: And what do you hope that your listeners actually take away from your series? It's called Transgression. Am I right? 

Todd: Yes. The full title is Transgression My Search for the Real Trans Agenda in Saskatchewan. My hope was when I started this, I, I wanted people like me to listen to it. So I went to straight white people.

Todd: No, well, you can be white. Sure. Straight, cisgender people that were on the fence, they didn't know, you know, were kind of ignorant. They weren't hardcore one way or another. I mean, there's allies and then there's like Trump Omega, I guess, and then there's a big middle section, right? And I wanted that big middle section to listen and to learn a bit more and, and maybe get a bit more empathy and.

Todd: If nothing, just, you know, have, I dunno why you need courage, but have the courage to even talk to trans people. Here's the thing about that though, I, I've talked to a lot of trans people that said they have education exhaustion. So I mean, yes, go talk to trans people, but. I mean, there's a respectful way and there's a way to show intent.

Todd: Don't ask what's between your legs. Like I didn't ask one single person that I interviewed if they had any surgeries, blah, blah, blah. Like that's like fine print details. Like that part doesn't even fucking matter. You know? I mean, like, it does not matter. Uh, it's all, everything else matters. Anyway, my hope was that people like me who are maybe empathetic but don't know enough and are curious or, or maybe too scared to have these conversations, to listen and, uh, and persuade them one way rather than the other way, because the other way gets enough goddamn media coverage and YouTube channels and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Todd: So, and, and, and, and I, I had a, a trans friend. Uh, kind of consult me for the first little bit because, because I wanted to do it right, one and two. Oh, just a good idea. But because I did want to talk to people, oppose, uh, or transphobic people or people that are opposed to trans rights and kinda like, I don't know, you know, the daily show in the states.

Todd: Like, I wanted to like do the bait and switch on them and make them look like idiots. Uh, and my friend was like, no, no, no, no, don't do that. I was like, no. How come? They're like, well, for one thing, their voice is loud enough, and two, some of them can be dangerous people you don't wanna fuck around. And I thought, good point.

Todd: Like, here's what you wanna talk about. Just you wanna learn about it more here. Just do that. Don't, don't start, don't start poking bears that don't need poking. And I'm so glad I did that. And then, because they also, I was consulted with them too. Once people found that out, then they were a little more willing to talk to me.

Todd: And then it's almost like the floodgates open then, like everybody wants to talk to me. It's like, oh, okay, this guy, this guy's legit. And he's, yeah, he, he has good intention, so. 

Archie: I'm gonna go back to a point that you raised earlier with trans people and the education exhaustion. Yeah, you definitely feel it.

Archie: And then also you have people who, you know, I spoke to another trans person recently who's been called an IT by an employee. Go talk to it and it's like you. You can't call a trans person an it, it is, you know, that's derogatory. And then also being questioned about, you know, what surgeries you're having.

Archie: I once went on a podcast because there was a guy from, uh, um, the mines. And so the mines in, in Australia is typically very blokey, very like oil and gas kind of thing. Yeah. White, cisgender men. Kind of very misogynistic. Yeah. You know, there are some queer people who work on there, but that's kind of the, the stereotypes of the, of the people who, uh, work there and, you know, the conversation was going great.

Archie: It was, he was very. Open, inclusive, and then it ended with, I'm gonna ask you a question. Now, you know, you're probably never asked, have you had the surgery? And then once we stopped recording, I was like, you can't ask that. You literally cannot ask that. That is inappropriate. That was not one of the questions that you pre gave me to screen as well.

Archie: So he was trying to get something out of me. I was like, you can't, I don't mind banter questions, but that's just not, not appropriate to ask anybody. 

Todd: Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not glad I've been guilty of that in the past. One of the first like sit down conversations I've had with a trans person and I, but I mean, I'll say this, I wasn't like, so like what would you get done?

Todd: Like I'd be like, do you mind if I ask this? And they were like, ask me anything you want. Are you sure? Yes. And then I went ahead, right? Even then I kind of felt goofy doing it, but I'm a human. I was super curious. I'm like, so what gives with it, I'm not gonna lie. It is fascinating. But, but also, you know, I dunno, sorry, I'm all over the place again.

Todd: So yeah, my A DH ADHD meds, it's evening here. They're wearing off. But, uh, the point I was gonna make is I know that whole argument, it's like, oh, you're destroying your body and stuff. Well, a lot of these mega women, have you seen them with the big fake tits and the they surgeries, their faces and stuff.

Todd: I'm like, what's the difference? What is the difference? Is that not also body, um, dysmorphia, 

Archie: it's still gender conforming care. That's a hundred percent it. So when people say, you know, you're ruining your body, it's like, okay, but you know, you can have fillers, you can dye your hair constantly. You can get breast augmentation to make your boobs ridiculously large and everybody's okay with that.

Archie: But when a trans person, you have anal bleaching. Exactly. But when a trans person actually just wants to do something to make themselves who they are. Then it's a problem, 

Todd: which is ridiculous. And, and it's also, I mean, uh, throughout my interviews people were saying it's life, uh, lifesaving operations. And I mean, a lot of people don't understand.

Todd: It's like, no, okay, if you don't have that operation physically, you're not gonna die. But mentally, it, it's, I guess I'm not trans, so I can't maybe explain as well as someone who is trans, but. It's lifesaving because it's their identity. It's, it's who you are and, and everyone's different. And some people, maybe it's not lifesaving, some people, oh, it's, it's so complicated, but yet so easy.

Archie: You know, so for everybody it's very, it's very different based on the person's experience. It can be life changing, it can be lifesaving, or it can be just something that gives them a new lease on life. It really depends on the, I think kind of the tools that they have as a human to be able to deal with things that are hard or to overcome and be resilient.

Archie: And some people don't have the tools to be as resilient. So for some people something like top surgery is lifesaving. Like they, otherwise they are having ideas of suicidality and they're like, I can't do this. Where others were like, okay, I'm okay with the tools that I've given and I, you know, binding for now.

Archie: Like, this sucks. It's life changing, but maybe not life saving. So, you know, for everybody it is a little bit different. So for me, I do have quite a low voice and that kind of puts some people off because people think that, you know, some trans men have a little bit of a higher voice, but I actually grew up female presenting and I had a low voice then.

Archie: And what was interesting is when I went to the doctors to get all my checks before starting hormones, I got an alert from the doctor saying, you need to come in because your test results for your bloods. And I was like, oh, okay. So I came in and the doctor's like, why are you in? Because it's just like an automatic alert because there was an an anomaly in my blood results.

Archie: And I had abnormally high testosterone for a female. So then for me, I always had a low voice and you know, I used to get teased as a kid 'cause I thought you sound like a boy. And now it works great because I, you know, I do have quite a masculine voice and I don't, like, some trans people will get misgendered on the phone where I generally don't because I have that kind of lower voice, which.

Archie: I used to get teased for it. Now I'm like, it worked in my benefits. In the end of the day, it all, it all ended up working. We are running outta time. So finally, it's been a great conversation. Thank you for staying up. Where can everyone find you? Where can you listen to your documentary podcast series and and where can they keep up with your work?

Todd: It's a little hard to find right now 'cause it's new and that, you know, like my other podcast, there's lots of episodes and lots of listeners, so it's easy to find. This one, it's called transgression. If you put in the search of whatever podcast thing you're looking for, I was gonna say put in Saskatchewan too, but it's a really hard word to spell.

Speaker 3: It is. It definitely is. 

Todd: If you put transgression my search for the real, then it should come up near the top. Because there's other podcasts called Transgression. You can't come up with a name that's original, but, but yeah, I know for sure it's on Apple, Spotify, Google Prime, like all the big ones. I'm not sure when this episode is gonna come out, but right now, late November.

Todd: Oh, okay. All late episodes will be out by then. And maybe even some bonus stuff because more people are wanting to, you know, like, it's funny, I, I was like done. I'm done interviewing and done editing and then more people coming outta the woodwork like, Hey, I have a story. I was like, maybe I should make this just an actual.

Todd: Podcast. Now, I don't know, is it weird if a straight guy had a trans podcast? 

Archie: Not at all. Not at all. Because like we said before, because you are having a different audience, so you've, your target audience is the cisgender straight target. Where for a trans podcast, your main audience will be. Transgender people and allies, but for someone like you, your audience is gonna be a different audience and you're gonna be able to educate them and take off some of that burden from us.

Todd: Hmm. Interesting. Huh? You never know. It might turn into that. 'cause I'm telling you, I mean, I'm like beating the trans people down with a stick. I'm like, no, I'm done talking. I can't have anymore. I have anymore. But you never know. You never know. Uh, the other podcast, yeah, it's on YouTube again. The video is so, so, but, uh, the audio, it's much better and it's, it's everywhere.

Todd: If you put in bunny hugs and mental health, it's, it's been out for a long time. So, yeah, it's all over the place. Oh, you know what? One more thing I'll plug my kid's book. It's called Sometimes Daddy Cries. 

Archie: Oh, I love that. It's 

Todd: about me and my kids when they were younger, when I was going through my mental health stuff, and I'm very proud of it too.

Todd: So, yeah. 

Archie: That's awesome. That's really great. It seems like you've done a lot and you're doing a lot for mental health space and for the trans community as well. Oh, thank you. Is there any last messages you wanted to give to everyone before we sign off today? 

Todd: I just wanna thank the trans community, the LBQ community for.

Todd: Just being so fucking lovely. It's like a whole chunk of the population that you know, I never would've otherwise had access to, and I have a whole new appreciation for. For y'all. I said that like an American, for some reason 

Speaker 3: it sounded very American. 

Archie: Thank you again, like I've really enjoyed having a conversation with you, our first straight person, as I'm aware, doing great things for the trans community, so thank you so much.

Archie: Thank you everyone for listening. We'll put links to all of Todd's stuff and make sure that you. Easily access it if you don't wanna search 'cause it's too much, we'll put all the links there. And I hope if you've enjoyed this episode, if you did, don't forget to rate, review and subscribe and you can follow Todd on all their socials as well.

Archie: And until next time, I hope that we have been perfectly queer.